Age is catching up to all of the best welters and middle weights. Its a shame. But still be fun too watch. But not their primes. 32 is the twilight. At 32 GGG would have destroyed Canelo. At 34 he lost a step, even though I had him clearly winning. People do not understand, simply training and sparring hard take a piece of you away every time. And it stays in the gym. Hard wars, a piece of you stays in the ring. Meldrick Taylor lost his prime in ONE bout with Chavez, which is rare. But it happens. Hagler too, left a big piece in the ring after the Mugabi fight. All in all, good entertaining fights on the horizon. HONORABLE MENTION: Partying takes all the primes away at home even before entering the gym or the ring.
The idea that Andrade is vulnerable is just foolish , every fighter is vulnerable. It was a very good fight with a good fighter giving all he had against an elite fighter and making him have to dig deep to win. Andrade learned you cannot overlook anyone and may have learned some humility in the process while displaying his unique skills. It's because of those skills that no one wants to fight him , he has a difficult style and elite but unorthodox skills a puzzle difficult for any opponent.
Every fighter is vulnerable but world champions don't often show vulnerabilities in fights and this is even more rare for an awkward and skilful southpaw like Andrade.
I think Charlo will be very interested in fighting Andrade now but whether Haymon will allow it is another matter.
The fact remains Oz that promoters make fights and too often fighters take flak over so called " cherry picking " when they are not the ones making the fights. The best fighter of our generation Manny Pacquiao was knocked out cold by Marquez with one punch , Anthony Joshua was knocked silly by Ruiz so on any given day at any given moment a fighter's vulnerability is apparent.
Well firstly, the top fighters like Manny, Joshua & Canelo are actually involved in choosing their opponents - their management teams, and even promoters, work for them not the other way around. The situation you refer to is for fighters further down the pecking order.
Secondly, of course every fighter has vulnerabilities but imo with the top fighters they aren't apparent very often and usually only become apparent if they fight a fellow top fighter - which is the case in your examples. However Marquez and Ruiz in your examples aren't in any way the equivalent of Williams who had only fought 1 opponent above UK domestic level and many thought not worthy of the shot. In other words you have to take the quality of the opponent into account.
IMO the two 118 - 109 scorecards simply don't reflect the struggle that Andrade had in dealing with Williams, imo he did not dominate Williams he struggled to control him throughout the fight, there were several close rounds, he was rocked badly twice and had to repeatedly punch and hold over the last four rounds.
So is Williams better than we thought or is Andrade not quite as good as we thought or a bit of both? Either way it will have given Charlo confidence as I'm sure he thinks he's better than Williams.
Agreed on the quality of opposition although I don't think people realized Ruiz was as good as he is. It was a tough fight but sometimes we have to credit the other man. He weathered some tremendous punches that many might not have and kept coming back. There was no quit in Williams. I still believe Andrade gives anyone trouble especially Charlo who has not faced any top World class opposition. As you well know styles make fights and he has a tough one to solve.
That's why no one wants to fight him, what Eddie Hearn said, that charlo, triple G, canelo, Murata, should want to fight him, because he's a champion and they are champions when a person with great skills nobody wants to fight them 😉👍.
I wouldn't say Andrade dominated Williams - imo those two 118 - 109 cards were harsh "home town" cards - the 116 - 111 was more like it.
I also disagree that it was Williams always making the fight dirty - quite the reverse in the majority of rounds - Andrade relied on the Klitschko punch and hold (and hold) technique, particularly over the last four rounds, in between periods of virtually running from Williams and the referee did absolutely nothing to stop Andrade punching then holding.
Williams rocked Andrade twice in the fight, both times Andrade's legs almost went - I would imagine that Charlo has noticed the vulnerability that Andrade displayed and is now very interested in fighting him especially as Hearn said he was cheap.
Then we disagree. 10 -2 in rounds doesn't necessarily equate to dominance over the whole fight as there were several close rounds. I only gave Williams another 2 rounds so it's hardly a big deal.
That said, being rocked badly in 2 of the rounds and having to employ the Klitschko punch and hold technique to survive the last 4 rounds didn't equate to dominance for Andrade's own promoter as I don't think Eddie Hearn would be saying he looked tired and probably needs to move up if it had been a completely dominant display.
I'm not an Andrade fan, but was impressed after 2 rounds. He just doesn't have the engine to keep that style going.
I wonder if he really is chinny; there seemed to be only 2 shots that landed relatively cleanly, yet he sagged both times.
Williams was tough as most knew he would be. He said afterward that Andrade hit harder than he'd expected. This can happen, particularly given Andrade's KO ratio, and seemed to set the tone for the fight after the first minute. Williams, despite all the talk - even during the fight - seemed a little reluctant to let his hands go as a consequence. He showed plenty of heart, however little imagination. Why professional boxers [supposedly on the offence] continue to follow opponents round the ring [rather than trying to cut it off] is beyond me. Easier said than done, of course...
I give Andrade credit for not only calling out Canelo but calling out GGG who Canelo never mentions. It looked like it was over in the first for Andrade but the gutsy Williams came back to make a fight for it though well behind in points at the end. Andrade gave him credit for a tough fight. Maybe with Canelo and Saunders unifying the welters and lightweights will get the idea to do the same.
Age is catching up to all of the best welters and middle weights. Its a shame. But still be fun too watch. But not their primes. 32 is the twilight. At 32 GGG would have destroyed Canelo. At 34 he lost a step, even though I had him clearly winning. People do not understand, simply training and sparring hard take a piece of you away every time. And it stays in the gym. Hard wars, a piece of you stays in the ring. Meldrick Taylor lost his prime in ONE bout with Chavez, which is rare. But it happens. Hagler too, left a big piece in the ring after the Mugabi fight. All in all, good entertaining fights on the horizon. HONORABLE MENTION: Partying takes all the primes away at home even before entering the gym or the ring.
The idea that Andrade is vulnerable is just foolish , every fighter is vulnerable. It was a very good fight with a good fighter giving all he had against an elite fighter and making him have to dig deep to win. Andrade learned you cannot overlook anyone and may have learned some humility in the process while displaying his unique skills. It's because of those skills that no one wants to fight him , he has a difficult style and elite but unorthodox skills a puzzle difficult for any opponent.
Every fighter is vulnerable but world champions don't often show vulnerabilities in fights and this is even more rare for an awkward and skilful southpaw like Andrade.
I think Charlo will be very interested in fighting Andrade now but whether Haymon will allow it is another matter.
The fact remains Oz that promoters make fights and too often fighters take flak over so called " cherry picking " when they are not the ones making the fights. The best fighter of our generation Manny Pacquiao was knocked out cold by Marquez with one punch , Anthony Joshua was knocked silly by Ruiz so on any given day at any given moment a fighter's vulnerability is apparent.
Well firstly, the top fighters like Manny, Joshua & Canelo are actually involved in choosing their opponents - their management teams, and even promoters, work for them not the other way around. The situation you refer to is for fighters further down the pecking order.
Secondly, of course every fighter has vulnerabilities but imo with the top fighters they aren't apparent very often and usually only become apparent if they fight a fellow top fighter - which is the case in your examples. However Marquez and Ruiz in your examples aren't in any way the equivalent of Williams who had only fought 1 opponent above UK domestic level and many thought not worthy of the shot. In other words you have to take the quality of the opponent into account.
IMO the two 118 - 109 scorecards simply don't reflect the struggle that Andrade had in dealing with Williams, imo he did not dominate Williams he struggled to control him throughout the fight, there were several close rounds, he was rocked badly twice and had to repeatedly punch and hold over the last four rounds.
So is Williams better than we thought or is Andrade not quite as good as we thought or a bit of both? Either way it will have given Charlo confidence as I'm sure he thinks he's better than Williams.
Agreed on the quality of opposition although I don't think people realized Ruiz was as good as he is. It was a tough fight but sometimes we have to credit the other man. He weathered some tremendous punches that many might not have and kept coming back. There was no quit in Williams. I still believe Andrade gives anyone trouble especially Charlo who has not faced any top World class opposition. As you well know styles make fights and he has a tough one to solve.
That's why no one wants to fight him, what Eddie Hearn said, that charlo, triple G, canelo, Murata, should want to fight him, because he's a champion and they are champions when a person with great skills nobody wants to fight them 😉👍.
I wouldn't say Andrade dominated Williams - imo those two 118 - 109 cards were harsh "home town" cards - the 116 - 111 was more like it.
I also disagree that it was Williams always making the fight dirty - quite the reverse in the majority of rounds - Andrade relied on the Klitschko punch and hold (and hold) technique, particularly over the last four rounds, in between periods of virtually running from Williams and the referee did absolutely nothing to stop Andrade punching then holding.
Williams rocked Andrade twice in the fight, both times Andrade's legs almost went - I would imagine that Charlo has noticed the vulnerability that Andrade displayed and is now very interested in fighting him especially as Hearn said he was cheap.
I disagree. I had it 10-2 also. He dominated. Williams fought hard but was mostly outclassed.
Then we disagree. 10 -2 in rounds doesn't necessarily equate to dominance over the whole fight as there were several close rounds. I only gave Williams another 2 rounds so it's hardly a big deal.
That said, being rocked badly in 2 of the rounds and having to employ the Klitschko punch and hold technique to survive the last 4 rounds didn't equate to dominance for Andrade's own promoter as I don't think Eddie Hearn would be saying he looked tired and probably needs to move up if it had been a completely dominant display.
Ggg is a hasbeen. He's still chasing Canelo. Andrade don't show me much. Charlo would stop him. Andrade can fight Jamie Mungia right?
I'm not an Andrade fan, but was impressed after 2 rounds. He just doesn't have the engine to keep that style going.
I wonder if he really is chinny; there seemed to be only 2 shots that landed relatively cleanly, yet he sagged both times.
Williams was tough as most knew he would be. He said afterward that Andrade hit harder than he'd expected. This can happen, particularly given Andrade's KO ratio, and seemed to set the tone for the fight after the first minute. Williams, despite all the talk - even during the fight - seemed a little reluctant to let his hands go as a consequence. He showed plenty of heart, however little imagination. Why professional boxers [supposedly on the offence] continue to follow opponents round the ring [rather than trying to cut it off] is beyond me. Easier said than done, of course...
I give Andrade credit for not only calling out Canelo but calling out GGG who Canelo never mentions. It looked like it was over in the first for Andrade but the gutsy Williams came back to make a fight for it though well behind in points at the end. Andrade gave him credit for a tough fight. Maybe with Canelo and Saunders unifying the welters and lightweights will get the idea to do the same.
Ggg is a waste of time and a hasbeen.
At 40-1-1 I wouldn't call him a hasbeen but you are entitled to your opinion. He needs his old trainer back or someone similar.