Olympic super heavyweight silver medalist Torrez scores KO in pro debut; nominees set for BWAA awards; sanctioning body policies toward Russian boxers; Quick hits; Show and tell
If a trainer has a fighter popped for a PED it would be helpful for the sport if this stopped them from being nominated for these kinds of awards (BWAA etc.) that year.
I would remind everyone that when a fighter is popped for a PED it is not only very unlikely that this is the first time they've used the drug but also that they've probably been given the drug by somebody in their team - or at least somebody in the team knows about it.
Some may say what if the trainer doesn't know? Well any totally innocent trainer who is against PEDs would not defend the fighter when caught, they would no longer work with the fighter once the failure is confirmed and would perfectly understand why they can't be considered that year for an award.
Such an attitude would mitigate any dirt thrown the trainer's way and would make it clear to the fighter's he continues to work with that he will not tolerate PED use.
I'm afraid when it comes to trainers like Eddy Reynoso, it is his indignant attitude and defence of his fighters, more than anything else, that shows that he has a bad attitude towards the use of PEDs.
ramirez is solid, but there is nothing special about the guy. 4 of his last 5 fights were coin-flips, basically, and he doesn't seem to have developed since winning his titles. i enjoy his fights, so i'm not bagging on the dude, but if he fights zepeda for the soon-to-be vacant WBC strap, i think he'll lose, and maybe handily. ridiculously he's not rated at all by the IBF or WBA and 6th by the WBO, so zepeda seems a necessary path for him... rough road ahead.
Ramirez was the WBC and WBO champ while Taylor was the IBF and WBA champ.
If Ramirez had beaten Taylor then to continue as undisputed champ he would have had to pay subs to the IBF and WBA (as well as his subs to the WBC & WBO) BUT he didn't beat Taylor and so he doesn't have to pay those subs.
It's not necessary for the fighters going into an undisputed unification to pay all 4 sanctioning bodies' fees before the fight - they may want to but it's not necessary, only the winner becomes liable to all 4 bodies fees. But suppose I'm wrong for a moment.
If Ramirez had paid IBF or WBA fees prior to the fight in May 2021 with Taylor then he and his team would expect to have been rated in their top 15s in April or May 2021.
However I've checked back and the IBF and WBA ratings for April, May & even June 2021 show that Ramirez was never rated.
As I said earlier Ramirez would have only been subject to IBF and WBA sanctioning fees if he had beaten Taylor and became their world champion - before that point he had nothing to do with the IBF or WBA and so there was no need to pay their sanctioning fees. By the same token, Taylor only became liable for WBC and WBO sanctioning fees when he became the undisputed champ.
However you don't have to take my word for it - you could always ask Dan.
If a trainer has a fighter popped for a PED it would be helpful for the sport if this stopped them from being nominated for these kinds of awards (BWAA etc.) that year.
I would remind everyone that when a fighter is popped for a PED it is not only very unlikely that this is the first time they've used the drug but also that they've probably been given the drug by somebody in their team - or at least somebody in the team knows about it.
Some may say what if the trainer doesn't know? Well any totally innocent trainer who is against PEDs would not defend the fighter when caught, they would no longer work with the fighter once the failure is confirmed and would perfectly understand why they can't be considered that year for an award.
Such an attitude would mitigate any dirt thrown the trainer's way and would make it clear to the fighter's he continues to work with that he will not tolerate PED use.
I'm afraid when it comes to trainers like Eddy Reynoso, it is his indignant attitude and defence of his fighters, more than anything else, that shows that he has a bad attitude towards the use of PEDs.
ramirez is solid, but there is nothing special about the guy. 4 of his last 5 fights were coin-flips, basically, and he doesn't seem to have developed since winning his titles. i enjoy his fights, so i'm not bagging on the dude, but if he fights zepeda for the soon-to-be vacant WBC strap, i think he'll lose, and maybe handily. ridiculously he's not rated at all by the IBF or WBA and 6th by the WBO, so zepeda seems a necessary path for him... rough road ahead.
Ramirez probably doesn't pay IBF and WBA subs which is the most likely reason why he's not rated by them.
I’m pretty sure he did when he fought Tayler for all four belts…
Ramirez was the WBC and WBO champ while Taylor was the IBF and WBA champ.
If Ramirez had beaten Taylor then to continue as undisputed champ he would have had to pay subs to the IBF and WBA (as well as his subs to the WBC & WBO) BUT he didn't beat Taylor and so he doesn't have to pay those subs.
you pay sanctioning fees prior to the fight, regardless of whether you win or lose… Ramirez would have paid all four fees.
Are the rules different for unification fights?
It's not necessary for the fighters going into an undisputed unification to pay all 4 sanctioning bodies' fees before the fight - they may want to but it's not necessary, only the winner becomes liable to all 4 bodies fees. But suppose I'm wrong for a moment.
If Ramirez had paid IBF or WBA fees prior to the fight in May 2021 with Taylor then he and his team would expect to have been rated in their top 15s in April or May 2021.
However I've checked back and the IBF and WBA ratings for April, May & even June 2021 show that Ramirez was never rated.
As I said earlier Ramirez would have only been subject to IBF and WBA sanctioning fees if he had beaten Taylor and became their world champion - before that point he had nothing to do with the IBF or WBA and so there was no need to pay their sanctioning fees. By the same token, Taylor only became liable for WBC and WBO sanctioning fees when he became the undisputed champ.
However you don't have to take my word for it - you could always ask Dan.
Good info. Thanks for the chat